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Hi All,

I'm considering a later model vehicle to tow the tandem trailer and ride on etc as my 80 Series Cruiser is starting to cost me $$.

 

The thing is all the newer wagons I'm looking at (Colorado, Rodeo, BT50 etc) have dual mass flywheels which get hammered when towing heavy loads and I'm regularly towing up to 1.5 tonne.

 

Has anyone used one of these "newer wagons" for an extended period without issue, ie clutch shuddering on talk off?

 

Cheers


Posted 06 May 2017 - 12:33 PM

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you will need to put a switch in so you can have the front auto hubs turned off,  that way you can use low range for reversing etc, and only use high range for driving.


Posted 06 May 2017 - 02:03 PM

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I've pulled around a tonne for 4 years now with my Navara without a problem. But mine is a single mass flywheel manual and I'll use low range often. My van was just under 2 tonne and we used that heaps. If I was to do it again I'd get an auto, 1.5 tonne is not a huge load but pulling it everyday auto would make life easier. Your looking at up to 2k for a replacement clutch in these later models.
Posted 06 May 2017 - 02:07 PM

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I know of some who have changed auto hubs to free wheeling. What the benefits are i dont know, all my 4wdriving was done with FWH.

 

2 troopies, cruiser ute, Old Hilux twin cab 4x4 ( slow as a wet wick but would go all day ), single cab Hilux 4wd. My old troopy had more in accessories than the vehicle was worth  :)


Posted 07 May 2017 - 01:41 PM

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Buy the auto , I bought bt50 3.2ltr with 6 speed auto .we have two both go good and fuel economy is great with a tow on. I always had manuals until now , we have a 2008 transit table top with 6 speed manual and it's at 160k and have had no trouble with the dual mass clutch . However I didn't like the feel of the manual Bt50 I test drove , seemed very raw and course with a boot full of fuel in it. After reading heaps of reviews which said buy the auto for towing , I decided to listen to The experts and go that way.
Posted 07 May 2017 - 03:47 PM

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Dedicated work vehicle

HiLux MY15 WorkMate 2wd petrol cab chassis with auto trans

Vinyl seats, door trims, rubber floor mats (grubby friendly)

I had a hydraulic alloy caged tipper tray fitted (worth every dollar)

 

I tow a 8x5 tandem caged trailer in D (1>5)

just flick the stick to the right and it locks out the overdrive for inclines or heavier loads.

 

I love it, mostly because it has no carpet or fabric in it.


Posted 07 May 2017 - 05:01 PM

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Cheers for the responses guys.

 

The Cruiser has been an awesome vehicle and I've had a few jobs that required low range 4WD so want to be sure I get something just as capable. 

 

Going for an auto certainly gets around the flywheel issue and isolating the front hubs seems like a common mod the more I research.

 

Just trying to get my head around a smaller (lighter) wagon to replace the Cruiser.  I've even contemplated going to the dark side with a Patrol ute  :o  :o


Posted 07 May 2017 - 08:00 PM

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Cheers for the responses guys.

 

 

 

Just trying to get my head around a smaller (lighter) wagon to replace the Cruiser.  I've even contemplated going to the dark side with a Patrol ute  :o  :o

I,d take a ute over a wagon anyday (unless i had a family to cart around )  :)


Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:30 AM

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Just to add another to look at.

 

My cousin lives at Airlee Beach (hilly place) and has one of the 4wd 5.7L petrol Jeeps. 

 

Says he doesnt notice the boat when towing. His boat is a big one for visiting the islands for lunch and fishing (he is a big fisho). Can easily sit on 130kmh heading further North when he goes to FNQ fishing and camping.

 

Recons its better than the cruiser he had.

 

He hasnt had any problems with his Jeep, i know others have but they are pretty well priced to.


Posted 08 May 2017 - 08:18 AM

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The problem with Common Rail diesels is whilst they make exceptional power for the cubic capacity if they are off boost they are gutless. The gearing makes it worse, this is why those that tow big loads have so much trouble with the clutch. You have to build up revs and slip the clutch to get going. The Cruiser will amble off with the slightest revs. Auto does all the hard work for you. I've tricked mine up with an 2.75inch exhaust, remaped the ecu and upgraded the turbo and a Dyno tune. I have 540nm of torque and 160kwts of power, from a little 2.5. ;)


Posted 08 May 2017 - 12:25 PM

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Keep the 80 series cruiser they are bullet proof and will go forever. Or upgrade to the v8 ute they are a serious work horse and will tow your work trailer with out a problem
Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:34 AM

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The problem with Common Rail diesels is whilst they make exceptional power for the cubic capacity if they are off boost they are gutless. The gearing makes it worse, this is why those that tow big loads have so much trouble with the clutch. You have to build up revs and slip the clutch to get going. The Cruiser will amble off with the slightest revs. Auto does all the hard work for you. I've tricked mine up with an 2.75inch exhaust, remaped the ecu and upgraded the turbo and a Dyno tune. I have 540nm of torque and 160kwts of power, from a little 2.5. ;)

Cheers john22. The points you make are the reason I've always stuck with big petrol engines.

 

Keep the 80 series cruiser they are bullet proof and will go forever. Or upgrade to the v8 ute they are a serious work horse and will tow your work trailer with out a problem

You might be on to something Smokey. Lots of research over the past few days and looked at few utes too. Havent found anything thats made me want to give up the 80 yet. The V8 ute would be a weapon but out of my price range


Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:10 PM

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The 80 series is still in demand so that tells you something, many have done over a million kms and are still going. They do start to cost you money as they age but look at the cost of a new one and how it depreciates the moment you leave the dealer.


Posted 10 May 2017 - 01:13 PM

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I use a 2006 Ford Courier Crew Cab, auto transmission and a 4.0 litre V6.

 

The 4WD system doesn't really work at the moment, but I have no issues pulling heavy loads daily in 2WD. It can be very thristy though (around 18-20 litres per 100 kms).


Posted 10 May 2017 - 01:44 PM

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I use a 2006 Ford Courier Crew Cab, auto transmission and a 4.0 litre V6.

 

The 4WD system doesn't really work at the moment, but I have no issues pulling heavy loads daily in 2WD. It can be very thristy though (around 18-20 litres per 100 kms).

Ouch! - I'll stop complaining about the economy on my HiLux now.


Posted 10 May 2017 - 01:51 PM

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Ouch! - I'll stop complaining about the economy on my HiLux now.

 

Well the fuel economy has improved heaps as of today. ....

 

The ute is off the road until I can source a new engine. That's going to make working problematic to say the least!


Posted 13 May 2017 - 04:56 PM

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Ouch! - I'll stop complaining about the economy on my HiLux now.

Just wondering what model Hilux you have used-thanks.


Posted Today, 08:09 AM

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Just wondering what model Hilux you have used-thanks.

I've owned an 86 extracab with 3Y motor and currently have a 2003 RZN149R with the 2.7EFI - I've found the 2.7 to be very thirsty and everyone I've spoken to or read about verifies that's just the case with that engine - I'd guess around 13-14L/100Klm round town with aircon in summer - if I was looking again it would be for the model before with the 22R motor - has all the power I need to cart a mower and a fair bit more economical.


Posted Today, 08:43 AM

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I've owned an 86 extracab with 3Y motor and currently have a 2003 RZN149R with the 2.7EFI - I've found the 2.7 to be very thirsty and everyone I've spoken to or read about verifies that's just the case with that engine - I'd guess around 13-14L/100Klm round town with aircon in summer - if I was looking again it would be for the model before with the 22R motor - has all the power I need to cart a mower and a fair bit more economical.

Thanks Crocster.

 

I currently have a Toyota Hilux 92 model with 22R engine in auto-its dual cab,done 360,000 K's getting VERY tired,I find pulling trailer and chipper/mower to be a big job-especially onger trips


Posted Today, 08:50 AM

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I've owned an 86 extracab with 3Y motor and currently have a 2003 RZN149R with the 2.7EFI - I've found the 2.7 to be very thirsty and everyone I've spoken to or read about verifies that's just the case with that engine - I'd guess around 13-14L/100Klm round town with aircon in summer - if I was looking again it would be for the model before with the 22R motor - has all the power I need to cart a mower and a fair bit more economical.

That 2.7 EFI engine sounds about the same K/F ratio to the V6 4litre one I'm looking at.


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