Jump to content


Lawn Mowing Business
How To Start A Lawn Mowing Business
LAWN CLUB
the independent aussie lawn and
garden contractors community
welcoming all lawn and garden contractors and industry suppliers
Photo

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point

  • Please log in to reply
41 replies to this topic
Macka
Macka

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 423 posts
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2015

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#1

If your starting out and currently unemployed, anything is better than the Dole or Nothing.

 

A charge out rate of $30 a hour, takes home $24.00 that the minimum wage and is a place to start for some.

 

Low Expenses is the key,  20% expenses. A charge out rate of $30 a hour, takes home $24.00 before income tax

 

At $30 per Hour, once the word is out and you are reliable and can do a average job you will get referals and very quickly regular customers.  You will pick up half and full days work gardening.

 

Keep you round withing a few kilometre.

 

You only need 21 hours a week to be taking home $500 after business expenses, less $35.00 income tax and Medicare levy gives you  $465

 

You dont need flash gear to start. home owner works for a while.

 

Dont be fooled by the high rates pushed by others, most of the long term guys started out charging the minimum.  Business with employee's cant compete with these rates.  Extablished business push the higher rates on the industry because there think there business is hurt by small operations charging less.   Its there Expenses that are the biggest factor in there profit not competators.

 

Its not your concern if others have high expenses and cant make money out of your hourly rate.

 

You will get a higher rate in time once you have your bread and butter customers and can increase the rate.

 

I have total respect for the guys out there working on the minimum rate just to make money and not bluge on the system.

 

Your not a lowballer or beer bob, your a business operator in the Lawn & Garden Industry


Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:46 AM

Trevc
Trevc

    Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPip
  • 40 posts
  • Joined: 21 Jul 2015

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#2

You need to stop pushing this barrow on this and the other forum. You make arbitary claims about other businesses and their expenses to somehow try and justify low rates.

If you are new or thinking of starting out, do not take his advice.
Please charge at least twice what Macka advocates.

Make the effort to do a business plan and you'll quickly see what you need to charge, and it won't be 30/hr.
Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:35 PM

Trevc
Trevc

    Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPip
  • 40 posts
  • Joined: 21 Jul 2015

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#3

If your starting out and currently unemployed, anything is better than the Dole or Nothing.

 

A charge out rate of $30 a hour, takes home $24.00 that the minimum wage and is a place to start for some.

 

Low Expenses is the key,  20% expenses. A charge out rate of $30 a hour, takes home $24.00 - Wrong. It's pre-tax profit not take home.

 

At $30 per Hour, once the word is out and you are reliable and can do a average job you will get referals and very quickly regular customers.  You will pick up half and full days work gardening. - yep word is out you're cheap, cool.

 

Keep you round withing a few kilometre.

 

You only need 21 hours a week to be taking home $500 after expenses -  Again pre-tax profit, not take home.

 

You dont need flash gear to start. home owner works for a while.

 

Dont be fooled by the high rates pushed by others, most of the long term guys started out charging the minimum. <- assumption  Business with employee's cant compete with these rates.  Extablished business push the higher rates on the industry because there think there business is hurt by small operations charging less.  <- assumption and nonsense  Its there Expenses that are the biggest factor in there profit not competators. <- Assumption *compe####ors

 

Its not your concern if others have high expenses and cant make money out of your hourly rate. <- Really?

 

You will get a higher rate in time once you have your bread and butter customers and can increase the rate. - Possibly too late because 1) your the cheap guy and 2) you've gone and got a job because you're sick of eating catfood at $30/hr

 

I have total respect for the guys out there working on the minimum rate just to make money and not bluge on the system.

 

Your not a lowballer or beer bob, your a business operator in the Lawn & Garden Industry - but not for long because you'll give it up and get a job.


Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:00 PM

Macka
Macka

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 423 posts
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2015

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#4

The Australian minimum wage is $18.29 for full time, casuals add 25% so it would be $ 22.86 for Casuals.

 

And yes the $24 mentioned is before income tax and so is the Australian minimum wage.


Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:25 PM

Smokey
Smokey

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 321 posts
  • Joined: 22 Jan 2016
  • Locationsydney
  • Business Name:Adam's landscaping & lawn maintenance

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#5

The best advice i can give is to. Charge what you need to cover your costs and the lifestyle you live.
Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:41 PM

CGAHS
CGAHS

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 811 posts
  • Joined: 07 May 2014
  • LocationJervis Bay NSW

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#6

posts like these keep beer bobs alive, and fair dinkum contractors struggling to earn a decent wage - pull your head in


Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:52 PM

crocster
crocster

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,516 posts
  • Joined: 17 Feb 2016
  • LocationBrisbane Southside

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#7

I'm sure there are inspiring stories of people who start up like this and go on to success - but IMHO many more would fail and leave the game giving contractors in general a bad rep  - it's too close to the edge - dad's mower carks it - the head gasket on the cortina blows - put a stone ding on a car

 

It helps to work through something like this checklist to get a conversion figure for self employed to employee rates:-

 

http://www.users.on....salary_rate.htm

 

Rule of thumb used to be a multiple of 2 - so you'd have to be looking at minimum of $40/hr for a sustainable startup based on ~$18/hr minimum wage


Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:42 PM

biggles
biggles

    Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPip
  • 95 posts
  • Joined: 19 Feb 2018
  • LocationBrisbane northside

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#8

I'm sure there are inspiring stories of people who start up like this and go on to success - but IMHO many more would fail and leave the game giving contractors in general a bad rep  - it's too close to the edge - dad's mower carks it - the head gasket on the cortina blows - put a stone ding on a car

 

It helps to work through something like this checklist to get a conversion figure for self employed to employee rates:-

 

http://www.users.on....salary_rate.htm

 

Rule of thumb used to be a multiple of 2 - so you'd have to be looking at minimum of $40/hr for a sustainable startup based on ~$18/hr minimum wage

 

That's a handy link Crocster. I like it as it particularly focuses on the long term view ( to include leave, supa etc) rather than just a short term hourly rate.

 

thanks 


Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:50 PM

bakes
bakes

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 234 posts
  • Joined: 28 Dec 2016
  • LocationSafety Bay, Western Australia
  • Business Name:Rockingham Mobile Mowing

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#9

The Australian minimum wage is $18.29 for full time, casuals add 25% so it would be $ 22.86 for Casuals.

 

And yes the $24 mentioned is before income tax and so is the Australian minimum wage.

Now add on the employers cost to employ a casual and you can over double that.

 

You clearly don't have experience as an employer who has to pay and insure by the book.

 

#### the dole amount and minimum wage, if you want that don't work. Those rates are there to encourage people to do better and improve themselves.


Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:37 PM

crocster
crocster

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,516 posts
  • Joined: 17 Feb 2016
  • LocationBrisbane Southside

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#10

That's a handy link Crocster. I like it as it particularly focuses on the long term view ( to include leave, supa etc) rather than just a short term hourly rate.

 

thanks 

And that's just a conversion calculator to correct  the self employed rate for all the benefits that apply to employees - doesn't factor in business costs - there's a reason many on here have been giving $60/hr as a minimum figure to quote on if you're going to do this professionally

 

Best thing anyone starting out with no business experience can do is spend a little money to go see a small business accountant and get advice.


Posted 17 April 2018 - 06:32 AM

Lucky
Lucky

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,040 posts
  • Joined: 21 May 2015
  • LocationDevonport TAS
  • Business Name:Grasshoppers

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#11

$24 an hr without holiday pay, sick pay and superannuation. Less tax and less unpaid work (book keeping , quoting, leaflet drops etc)

 

Your better off working for somebody else earning min wage and doing something that is less strenuous.


Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:07 AM

Colsy
Colsy

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 457 posts
  • Joined: 02 Dec 2017
  • LocationWestern Suburbs, Melbourne

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#12

 

If your starting out and currently unemployed, anything is better than the Dole or Nothing.

 

A charge out rate of $30 a hour, takes home $24.00 that the minimum wage and is a place to start for some.

 

Low Expenses is the key,  20% expenses. A charge out rate of $30 a hour, takes home $24.00 - Wrong. It's pre-tax profit not take home.

 

At $30 per Hour, once the word is out and you are reliable and can do a average job you will get referals and very quickly regular customers.  You will pick up half and full days work gardening. - yep word is out you're cheap, cool.

 

Keep you round withing a few kilometre.

 

You only need 21 hours a week to be taking home $500 after expenses -  Again pre-tax profit, not take home.

 

You dont need flash gear to start. home owner works for a while.

 

Dont be fooled by the high rates pushed by others, most of the long term guys started out charging the minimum. <- assumption  Business with employee's cant compete with these rates.  Extablished business push the higher rates on the industry because there think there business is hurt by small operations charging less.  <- assumption and nonsense  Its there Expenses that are the biggest factor in there profit not competators. <- Assumption *compe####ors

 

Its not your concern if others have high expenses and cant make money out of your hourly rate. <- Really?

 

You will get a higher rate in time once you have your bread and butter customers and can increase the rate. - Possibly too late because 1) your the cheap guy and 2) you've gone and got a job because you're sick of eating catfood at $30/hr

 

I have total respect for the guys out there working on the minimum rate just to make money and not bluge on the system.

 

Your not a lowballer or beer bob, your a business operator in the Lawn & Garden Industry - but not for long because you'll give it up and get a job.

 

 

 

Well said 


Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:26 AM

Macka
Macka

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 423 posts
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2015

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#13

Now add on the employers cost to employ a casual and you can over double that.

 

You clearly don't have experience as an employer who has to pay and insure by the book.

 

#### the dole amount and minimum wage, if you want that don't work. Those rates are there to encourage people to do better and improve themselves.

 

Exactly right the cost of Emloyee's does put on a large cost, that adds to there expenses and cuts there profit margin.

 

 

$24 an hr without holiday pay, sick pay and superannuation. Less tax and less unpaid work (book keeping , quoting, leaflet drops etc)

 

Your better off working for somebody else earning min wage and doing something that is less strenuous.

 

A casual doesn't get hoiiday or sick pay anyway  and as a solo trader they doent have to pay super.


Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:30 AM

Macka
Macka

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 423 posts
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2015

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#14

The forum is for everyone, from the Multi million dollar turn over to the 7k a year turn over.

 

A pensioner may only want to earn $300 a fortnight, a unemployed person may just want to get off unemployment and earn $300 a week until the  job they want comes up. 


Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:59 AM

Lucky
Lucky

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,040 posts
  • Joined: 21 May 2015
  • LocationDevonport TAS
  • Business Name:Grasshoppers

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#15

Exactly right the cost of Emloyee's does put on a large cost, that adds to there expenses and cuts there profit margin.

 

 

 

A casual doesn't get hoiiday or sick pay anyway  and as a solo trader they doent have to pay super.

‚ÄčA causal also gets a higher rate.

 

Your better off working at Mc Donald's than working for your self at $24 an hr...You even get super! You don't get rained out. Don't have to worry about a machine breaking, etc etc etc etc


Posted 17 April 2018 - 03:24 PM

Lucky
Lucky

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,040 posts
  • Joined: 21 May 2015
  • LocationDevonport TAS
  • Business Name:Grasshoppers

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#16

The forum is for everyone, from the Multi million dollar turn over to the 7k a year turn over.

 

A pensioner may only want to earn $300 a fortnight, a unemployed person may just want to get off unemployment and earn $300 a week until the  job they want comes up. 

 

I hear ya there. I'm semi retired but id rather work for $60 an hr and work for 3-4 hrs than $30 and work for  6-8. Big difference in the working day for the same amount of $.

 

I don't know many unemployed people who would give up the dole for $300 a week. maybe the dole and the $300 but then their 1/2 the problem arnt they?

 

Next time I get a quote and they say the last guy did it for $20, ill think of you Macka.


Posted 17 April 2018 - 03:27 PM

Fred
Fred

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 338 posts
  • Joined: 12 Aug 2016
  • LocationBayside Melb

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#17

If your starting out and currently unemployed, anything is better than the Dole or Nothing.

A charge out rate of $30 a hour, takes home $24.00 that the minimum wage and is a place to start for some.

Low Expenses is the key, 20% expenses. A charge out rate of $30 a hour, takes home $24.00 before income tax

At $30 per Hour, once the word is out and you are reliable and can do a average job you will get referals and very quickly regular customers. You will pick up half and full days work gardening.

Keep you round withing a few kilometre.

You only need 21 hours a week to be taking home $500 after business expenses, less $35.00 income tax and Medicare levy gives you $465

You dont need flash gear to start. home owner works for a while.

Dont be fooled by the high rates pushed by others, most of the long term guys started out charging the minimum. Business with employee's cant compete with these rates. Extablished business push the higher rates on the industry because there think there business is hurt by small operations charging less. Its there Expenses that are the biggest factor in there profit not competators.

Its not your concern if others have high expenses and cant make money out of your hourly rate.

You will get a higher rate in time once you have your bread and butter customers and can increase the rate.

I have total respect for the guys out there working on the minimum rate just to make money and not bluge on the system.

Your not a lowballer or beer bob, your a business operator in the Lawn & Garden Industry


Posted 17 April 2018 - 04:32 PM

Fred
Fred

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 338 posts
  • Joined: 12 Aug 2016
  • LocationBayside Melb

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#18

Oh mannnn ............. What r u doing ?????????

Cheers Fred.
Posted 17 April 2018 - 04:36 PM

Lucky
Lucky

    Advanced Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,040 posts
  • Joined: 21 May 2015
  • LocationDevonport TAS
  • Business Name:Grasshoppers

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#19

I don't advocate anyone working for $25 an hr but I will say that it can be good business sense when starting out to do an over grown lawn at what the regular cut rate would be IF its an ongoing regular cut.


Posted 17 April 2018 - 05:55 PM

surfishly
surfishly

    Member

  • Lawn Club Member
  • PipPip
  • 43 posts
  • Joined: 27 Jun 2017
  • Business Name:Planet Mowing

$24.00 Per Hour Can Be A Good Starting Point
#20

Agree Macka theres a bit of snobbery about "beer bobs " etc not all kids have the money to start out with the flash equipment etc and to survive they charge low i have seen plenty of so called "professional operators " who are rude overcharge or do a crap job

I reckon take people on the quality of there work beer bob or not

I would say tho if starting out $40 an hour is more realistic to actually make some sort of living


Posted 17 April 2018 - 06:35 PM




LAWN CLUB
for aussie contractors
LAWN CLUB is an independent australian lawn mowing and gardening contractors community. Our site is free to join and use for all members of the green industry,
and always will be. We are independently owned by a fellow lawn care professional, with the sole intention of LAWN CLUB that all lawn mowing contractors and
gardening contractors can learn from each other, chat with mates, & to freely ask or help each other in the running of our successful lawn care businesses.
Lawn Club community and lawn forum and business tips for lawn mowing contractors, gardening contractors, and lawn care business owners

Lawn Mowing Forum
How To Start Lawnmowing Business
Lawn Mower News and Sales